I hear some pretty shitty arguments from both sides, but it's mostly from the opposing side. Such as, "This country was founded and fought for by God-fearing, Bible-toting, praying Christian leaders who literally sacrificed their lives, their property, and some of our founding fathers even lost their families so that we could have a beautiful country to call home and worship God without persecution." Real quote, too.
I find it so stupid that they're even trying to debate this shit. For one thing, our country was not founded on the Christian religion. It was founded by some Christian men, but the most important ones have something entirely different to say about religion in general.
John Adams: "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
Thomas Jefferson: "On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
Benjamin Franklin: "In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here (England) and in New England."
Thomas Paine: "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."
"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
James Madison: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
Ethan Allen and James Monroe are believed to have also favored Deism. Whereas George Washington and Abraham Lincoln simply didn't practice any organized religion.
[The American Pageant: A History of the Republic and Lies My Teacher Told Me, http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfa
What is the problem with having our Pledge of Allegiance go back to the way it was? It didn't always have "under God". We didn't throw any hissy fit about it until the 1950's when we didn't want to look like godless commies. There's no logical reason to get rid of it. You think this persecutes you religious folk? Take a look in the mirror. If "under God" is taken from the Pledge, there will not be a new part that says, "under NO God" it will simply not speak of God at all.
It is not persecuting you to do this. It is merely persecuting everyone else in the country that's tired of this bullshit. We are not all Christians and Catholics. We may be a minority, but that doesn't mean shit when it comes down to the freedoms we have been promised and shouldn't be denied.
I just love it how some Christians will play at being the ones who are persecuted every single time in history. How the fuck do you figure that? You are the fucking majority in America and instead of fighting for a right to shove your bullshit down the rest of our throats, you should be all for taking it out.
I know you don't have to say the Pledge in school. That doesn't change anything, sorry. Doesn't change the fact that kids get berated for saying "under the government" instead.
Sorry, if this is messy. It's just a rant. Well, whatever. I'm over it.